Bliesma t25s. I thought this was a really neat writeup about some high. Bliesma t25s

 
I thought this was a really neat writeup about some highBliesma t25s  Notice the Focal tweeters (Silk Dome) have a higher price tag compared to the Beryllium, Focal near $600 while the BLIESMA T25B-6 is around $250-300

While the FA8 moves towards the. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. 2 and 2150am on my front. BlieSMa T25S-6 177,00 € 169,00 € /pcs *including VAT 21% BlieSMa T25A-6 177,00 € 169,00 € *including VAT 21% Scan-Speak D2404/552000 'Ellipticor' 582,00 € 555,00 € *including VAT 21%The most "natural" tweeter I know and my favourite one is Bliesma T25B. 02-04-2021 #6. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. Subs: 2 x Scanspeak Discovery 10" in Underfloor Sealed Enclosure. I was just talking to Solen Electronics, and they told me that they currently have the BlieSMa T25B tweeters on order. Subs: 2 x Scanspeak Discovery 10" in Underfloor Sealed Enclosure. 532,00 лв. Tweets: Bliesma T25S-6 Silk-Dome 1" (Modded Factory A-Pillar Locations). 2014 Ram 1500, 8. Subs: 2 x Scanspeak Discovery 10" in Underfloor Sealed Enclosure. Like. Фирмата е официален представител на Mundorf, Bliesma, SB Acoustics, SB Audience, Hivi. $251. Most likely will pick up the Beyma 10G40 for the doors from 125-500Hz. This Test Bench combines three new 25mm high-frequency transducers from German brand BlieSMa into a single characterization: the BlieSMa T25S-6 Silk Dome, the BlieSMa T25B-6 Beryllium Dome, and the BlieSMa T25D-6 Diamond Dome. This PRS-D800 - Pioneer Class FD-2 Channel. 21 - 40 of 52 Posts. 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. Спецификации Артикулен номер T25S-6 Тип високочестотен високочестотен високочестотен високочестотен. In this edition, Vance Dickason writes about the range of DSP Active Line Level Crossovers available from Danville Signal. BlieSMa T25A-6, T25B-6, T25D-6, T25S-6 | HiFiCompass What is on the test bench? At the annual Munich HighEnd-2019 show the founder and designer of BlieSMa company Stanislav Malikov аnounced three new tweeter models - domed T25A-6, T25B-6 and T25D-6 which have 25-mm membranes of aluminium-magnesium, beryllium and CVD diamond respectively. Maybe bliesma t25s-6 domes. Accuton C173-6-191 CERAMIC MIDRANGE DRIVER. The Spring Cleaning must continue!!! This is a Sealed BNIB "Signature Series" BT-2700-2 amplifier which you can see in the photos is signed on the back with a silver "Sharpie" pen by the team at Biketronics. Sensitivity. 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. Stycker. Mids: Satori MW13P-4 5" (Factory Door Locations). MTM with 5" hard paper units (NE149W). nautchilous Discussion starterBlieSMa T25S-6 25mm Silk fabric dome tweeter 6 Ohm. 2015 GMC - BliesMa T25B pillars, Dynaudio e430 dash, dual Dayton 7" ES180-Tia woofers in aperiodic door boxes, underfloor sub box Alpine R 15", Stock HU ->NavTV->Helix Ultra, Brax, RF amps 2006 Chrysler 300c - BliesMa T25B pillars, Xcelsus XXM325 Dash, Satori 9. 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. You might also be interested in: BlieSMa T25S. They only do it when i have an in line capacitor (ive tried multiple values and. 13 December 2019, 12:16 Friday. Something to sleep on. 08-11-2020 #12. BlieSMa T25A. T34A-4 (green and orange) compared to T34B-4 (red and yellow). Only thing missing currently is the lows. 91/ea. I've seen a few builds on here that have either referenced them, suggested them or put them into practice. 280835539_5100711993380025_3317702276843187931_n. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. You will find them recommended by some of the most respected names on this forum. FuZer. 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. Top. I noticed that the tweeters were giving white noise when I turned the volume down. 80 €148. Tweets: Bliesma T25S-6 Silk-Dome 1" (Modded Factory A-Pillar Locations). Like. They also do a T25S which is built for a smooth sound - probably the one for you?まだBlieSMaを鳴らして1日なのでちょっとかわいそうな比較ではありますが(とは言ってもインピーダンスカーブを見る限り、バーンインは完了してますが)、BlieSMaはScan speakと比較すると「 艶といった品位や音の芯は無い物の、脚色なくストイックに鳴る 」というのが最初に感じた印象です。Dear friends, there are many enthusiasts of loudspeakers building here so I thought this link would be very useful for someone. 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. Bliesma T25B-6 - information in PDF format (218 Kb) Free delivery worldwide by DHL Express service. Testing 34 mm AlMg dome T34A-4 from BlieSMa/Germany. 80 €148. 2 mm linear excursion and a large vent channel result in an undistorted. British Columbia, Selkirk Mountains. . This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be. Facebook/HiFiCompass. com. note: the spike near 48khz in the plots below is probably an artifact of the sound card cutoff doing wonky things with the FFT math. 560,00 лв. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. Cheers!This Test Bench combines three new 25mm high-frequency transducers from German brand BlieSMa into a single characterization: the BlieSMa T25S-6 Silk Dome, the BlieSMa T25B-6 Beryllium Dome, and the BlieSMa T25D-6 Diamond Dome. Used 30h in testing against other tweeters with music, no extremely loud volumes i am sensitive to sibilance and too loud sound. Please consider creating a new thread. Hi guys, im still chugging along with my Toyota 86 build and its sounding pretty great so far, but im curious about my dash corner mounted GB25s response. jtrosky Discussion starter 2101 posts. . 1 user. This Test Bench combines three new 25mm high-frequency transducers from German brand BlieSMa into a single characterization: the BlieSMa T25S-6 Silk Dome, the BlieSMa T25B-6 Beryllium Dome, and the BlieSMa T25D-6 Diamond Dome. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. I had BlieSMa T25S-6 in the sails and Satori MR16P-8 in the dash (slightly off axis). Комплект уеднаквени текстилни високотонови Bliesma T25S-6. After 3. Subs: 2 x Scanspeak Discovery 10" in Underfloor Sealed Enclosure. OR005-04 FA8RCND/S and OR006-04 FL8RCND/S Loudspeakers. Mids: Satori MW13P-4 5" (Factory Door Locations). Welcome to BlieSMa. Finding whole albums in 24 bit, FLAC, etc on HDtracks etc but having trouble hunting down individual tracks to download. Reply Quote. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. Front - BliesMa T25S-6, Xcelsus XXM325, SI TM65mkIV / Rear - HAT Unity U61-2v2 / Sub - 2X SQL-12. The BlieSMa M74S-6 is a 74mm silk dome midrange driver that is designed for high-end audio applications. Reply. Save Share. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Articles. Спецификации Артикулен номер T25S-6 Тип високочестотен високочестотен високочестотен високочестотен. Rick Sykora Major Contributor. The T25S-6 is features an extremely low moving mass for better transient response and higher efficiency. BlieSMa: T25S. I'll have 1 (big) sub, four midbass, two widebands, and two tweeters (or supertweeters, depending on the widebands). . Neodymium motor has copper sleeve for low non-linear and modulation distorsions. Flush mounted surround (also made of fabric) and rear mounted magnet system result flat frequency response and wide off-axis diagram. #41. 83 - 8 Volt were carried out with High Pass Filter "on" (2nd order Butterworth type, 800 Hz cutoff, HPF2-800) The THD measurements at distance of 315 mm and. R. $281. Reply Quote. 532,00 лв. Save Share. SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD. zon001. Go to Beryllium version. 2mm linear excursion and large vent channel for undistorted low frequency operation. Running around 3200ish and up Steg mss3 200-3200hz Midbass in doors for now will be some audison AP8 i have Will upgrade them to probably Aries sk8 IB in kicks. 532,00 лв. BlieSMa: T25S. 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. Tweets: Bliesma T25S-6 Silk-Dome 1" (Modded Factory A-Pillar Locations). Tweets: Bliesma T25S-6 Silk-Dome 1" (Modded Factory A-Pillar Locations). I just got the bliesma t25s-6 silk tweeters from audiostatus. tw29txn-b can be used in a jantzen wavequide: BlieSMa T25S-6 Silk Dome Tweeter Matched Pair. Reactions: BillC. Power Conditioning: Silver Circle Tchaik 6 and Shunyata Hydra Triton. Beryllium domes may have similar on-axis response like soft domes, but the off-axis is usually different. BLIESMA T25B-6, Beryllium 25mm Dome Tweeter. Joined Mar 24, 2018 Messages 306 Likes 217 Location Denmark. Thanks to a fully saturated neodymium. I wanted a nice set of speakers for. 16 g), offering better transient responce and higher efficiency. However, IMO the BlieSMa T25B-6 Beryillium tweeters are far better if you want the ultimate in detail and resolution. 560,00 лв. Tweets: Bliesma T25S-6 Silk-Dome 1" (Modded Factory A-Pillar Locations). 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. 6L 2V, "modular" engine from the Romeo plant, 4R70W automatic transmission, Bright Atlantic Blue paint,. SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SALE PENDING FS Bliesma T25A-6 Tweeters ONE MATCHED PAIR BNIB; ONE PAIR SOLD Hello, I bought these pre-covid for a build that was put on hold indefinitely. The black matte paper dome material is quite hard, while the silk dome is noticeably soft and looks very similar to the dome material of the BlieSMa T25S-6 silk tweeter. 560,00 лв. CSD of unit 1. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. Quantity: Last One / 2 sold. Subs: 2 x Scanspeak Discovery 10" in Underfloor Sealed Enclosure. Product Details. In this case 32W gives ~86dB/2. BlieSMa T25A. Median rents as of Nov 19 2023. Miniature bookshelf speakers based on 4" Purifi PTT4. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. 16 g), offering better transient responce and higher efficiency. Will update post with pics and impressions after they are installed and I update my Dirac tune. Neodymium motor has copper sleeve for low non-linear and modulation distorsions. Tweets: Bliesma T25S-6 Silk-Dome 1" (Modded Factory A-Pillar Locations). 2014 Ram 1500, 8. Thanks!Mids: Satori MW13P-4 5" (Factory Door Locations). Save Share. This is usually only done by tweeters. Reply Quote. £420. $275. 560,00 лв. 02. It's going into a fully active system where I will control each driver individually. 5" woofers in aperiodic door boxes, AE IB15, Joying Android HU->Helix Pro2. 560,00 лв. In this specific case, tweeters im goin to use are:-T25s-6 bliesma (silkdome) View attachment 1108357 View attachment 1108355 View attachment 1108356-Tw29txn-b 8textreme) View attachment 1108358 View attachment 1108359 View attachment 1108360 Are these well behaved on ultrasonic end? I tend to use Bliesma T25D (diamond) and Bliesma T25S (fabric) as an example for what happens. BlieSMa T25S-6 Silk Dome Tweeter Matched Pair. Features : • Flush mounted surround and rear mounted magnet system mode for flat frequency response and wide off-axis response • No ferrofluid for improved dynamicsI'm in the process of getting things installed in my 2010 Toyota RAV4. I plan on using amps, components (2 way) and 12" sub. All three tweeters appear to be built on the same platform, but optimized for each diaphragm material, and all three share pretty much the same feature set. What is my best option to power my Morel CDM600 Midrange in my 3 way active set up? Once again i am reaching out for advice or opinions as I value the. What I would like to. Subs: 2 x Scanspeak Discovery 10" in Underfloor Sealed Enclosure. Just trying to figure out what this power connector could possibly be - or is it proprietary? And I assume the rest of the connections (excluding rca) are solid core thermostat wire? Motorcycles have some weird stuff going on. Dayton ND20FB-4 Saves Me from Blose!Resulting loudspeaker sensitivity is dictated by the response of the woofer after baffle step. Комплект уеднаквени текстилни високотонови Bliesma T25S-6. . 5" waveguides mounted in the sails/corner dash area and Satori MR16P-8 (50 rms) in the kick panels, from 500-2000Hz. 0X04-NFC-01 - 4"Tweets: Bliesma T25S-6 Silk-Dome 1" (Modded Factory A-Pillar Locations). € 799,95 Temporarily unavailable BlieSMa M74B-6 Mid-range woofer Compare Out of stock € 649,95 Temporarily unavailable BlieSMa T25B-6 Dome Tweeter Matched Pair Compare Out of stock € 499,95 1" | 6 Ω BlieSMa T25S-6 Dome Tweeter Matched Pair Compare Out of stock € 269,95 3'' | 6 Ω BlieSMa M74S-6 Mid-range woofer Compare Out of stock € 379,95 BlieSMa T25B-6 | HiFiCompass BlieSMa T25S-6 (pre-production sample) | HiFiCompass The former has lower linear distortion, the latter (at present, based on the pre-production data) lower high-order non-linear distortion < 2KHz, which does not appear to be explained by any significantly greater LF extension. 48 posts. Bliesma T25B. 75 kg . $435. 00 plus shipping. BlieSMa T25S-6 25mm Silk fabric dome tweeter 6 Ohm Main feature of Bliesma T25S-6 tweeter is extremely low moving mass (0. 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. SB Acoustics SB21SDCN-C000-4, SB21RDCN-C000-4. В наличност: 0 бр. bigjacko Addicted to Fun and Learning. All three tweeters appear to be built on the same platform, but. Hello, I bought these pre-covid for a build that was put on hold indefinitely. Tweets: Bliesma T25S-6 Silk-Dome 1" (Modded Factory A-Pillar Locations). 00. Pioneer DMH-W4660NEX, AudioControl D-5. Спецификации Артикулен номер T25S-6 Тип високочестотен високочестотен високочестотен високочестотен. . Flush mounted surround (also made of fabric) and rear mounted magnet system result flat frequency response and wide off-axis diagram. BlieSMa’s first tweeter offering, the T34A-4 34 mm aluminum/magnesium alloy dome, appeared in Voice Coil’s June 2018 Test Bench. Reviews, Data and Member contributions. 1 - 20 of 22 Posts. $ 273. Спецификации Артикулен номер T25S-6 Тип високочестотен високочестотен високочестотен високочестотен. This Test Bench combines three new 25mm high-frequency transducers from German brand BlieSMa into a single characterization: the BlieSMa T25S-6 Silk Dome,. BlieSMa T34B-4 Beryllium Dome Tweeter. T25A-6 = Aluminium + magnesium. Tweets: Bliesma T25S-6 Silk-Dome 1" (Modded Factory A-Pillar Locations). 5dB - 8ohm; Monacor. 00 USD) per pair. Member Reviews & Product Comparisons. Me too. S. 4 uConnect, Minidsp 8x12dl Helix A6 Competition, Gladen rc70c4, 2x Sundown SAE-2000v3 Front - BliesMa T25S-6, Xcelsus XXM325, SI TM65mkIV / Rear - HAT Unity U61-2v2 / Sub - 2X SQL-12. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. Condition: New New. Ribbed aluminum = detailed. Reply Quote. 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. And The BE wins,. Save Share. They put in a lot of time and gave us a lot of solid preforming waveguides for diy. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. 00:) im currently using an 880prs. Flush mounted surround (also made of fabric) and rear mounted magnet system result flat frequency response and wide off-axis diagram. I'd like to put together a lossless compilation for showing off my system. . 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. So rules. Running around 3200ish and up Steg mss3 200-3200hz Midbass in doors for now will be some audison AP8 i have Will upgrade them to probably Aries sk8 IB in kicks. disconnects out of the package on a. 532,00 лв. Mids: Satori MW13P-4 5" (Factory Door Locations). Subs: 2 x Scanspeak Discovery 10" in Underfloor Sealed Enclosure. The THD measurements at distance of 315 mm and voltage levels 2. BlieSMa T25S-6 (pre-production sample) | HiFiCompass BlieSMa T25S - €109. FI, Loudspeaker shop Note: the face-plate on this tweeter is relatively small so you can get the tweeter much closer to the. As you might have seen from my build log thread(s) I'm busy auditioning wideband drivers in different alignments in a mocked up car interior, to choose the best experimentation path for an install focused on imaging. 560,00 лв. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. 2022-11-18 1:49 pm. $1,379. Features : 25mm silk dome and silk surround, each made from its own fabric for better sound quality Extremely low moving mass for better transient response and higher. Комплект уеднаквени текстилни високотонови Bliesma T25S-6. 5 years collecting drivers they are all in house, so time to order crossover components. 25mm aluminium-magnesium alloy dome with variable thickness for ultrasonic first breakup mode;Features : • Flush mounted surround and rear mounted magnet system breakup mode for flat frequency response and wide off-axis response • No ferrofluid for improved dynamicsFeatures : • Flush mounted surround and rear mounted magnet system mode for flat frequency response and wide off-axis response • No ferrofluid for improved dynamicsTweets: Bliesma T25S-6 Silk-Dome 1" (Modded Factory A-Pillar Locations). Tweets: Bliesma T25S-6 Silk-Dome 1" (Modded Factory A-Pillar Locations). Main feature of Bliesma T25S-6 tweeter is extremely low moving mass (0. В наличност: 0 бр. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. Tweeters - Bliesma T25S-6 Mids - Bliesma M74S-6 Midbass - Dayton audio RS225P-4A Rear Steg MLG65C Sub DD Audio Readline series 615D2E, will be running at 1 ohm I like more to film every thing than taking fotos so please find this video of my project Edited March 6 by MindaugasCironka. 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. Frequency Response. Subs: 2 x Scanspeak Discovery 10" in Underfloor Sealed Enclosure. £420 . Reply. In stock 0 pcs. A pair of 8" SB23NBACS45-8 woofers can produce -F3 ~32Hz and save building plus itegrating a subwoofer. Neodymium motor has copper sleeve for low non-linear and modulation. BlieSMa T25S-6 Silk Dome Tweeter Matched Pair. Tweets: Bliesma T25S-6 Silk-Dome 1" (Modded Factory A-Pillar Locations). 1 - 19 of 19 Posts. 1 2. €186. 60 * Free shipping! Add: BlieSMa: T34A. Purifi Audio PTT4. Mar 28, 2021 #18 For the first two pictures, with felt 4k to 5k and 12k to 15k Hz actually increased. Joined Sep 18, 2019 Messages 691 Likes 346. Based in the UK but can post within Europe. Комплект уеднаквени текстилни високотонови Bliesma T25S-6. 5X midwoofer two-sample SPL comparison. 16 g), offering better transient responce and higher efficiency. 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. Price. The silks have a smoother sound, yet very detailed still. Спецификации Артикулен номер T25S-6 Тип високочестотен високочестотен високочестотен високочестотен. I just got the bliesma t25s-6 silk tweeters from audiostatus. . Tweets: Bliesma T25S-6 Silk-Dome 1" (Modded Factory A-Pillar Locations). Yes there is usually a sound difference between cheaper and high priced tweeters. 80 €148. Maybe bliesma t25s-6 domes. 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. Compact tweeter with 25-mm silk dome. Bliesma T25S-6 or T25A-6 (have both) with Satori MR16P-8 (have). I receive my new pair of Bliesma M74B recently and would like to share some results. Satori MD60N-6 . DIYMA Rules, Announcements & Site UpdatesWeekly Newsletter for the Audio Industry and Audio Product Developers Product Design | Audio Electronics | Acoustics | DIY | Audio Innovations AUDIOXPRESS | VOICE COIL | LIS | SUBSCRIBE | ADVERTISE |Front - BliesMa T25S-6, Xcelsus XXM325, SI TM65mkIV / Rear - HAT Unity U61-2v2 / Sub - 2X SQL-12. 40 shipping. Build quality is superb. I think the t25S is now out of the equation. Solen sells them for $145 USD each + shipping; I can let. 7". On Android (attached with a plug). Subs: 2 x Scanspeak Discovery 10" in Underfloor Sealed Enclosure. Flush mounted surround (also made of fabric) and rear mounted magnet system result flat frequency response and wide off-axis diagram. Subs: 2 x Scanspeak Discovery 10" in Underfloor Sealed Enclosure. Bliesma T25s-6's are supposed to arrive tomorrow so need to get busy on new sails for those. €186. Satori. 532,00 лв. Subs: 2 x Scanspeak Discovery 10" in Underfloor Sealed Enclosure. Tweets: Bliesma T25S-6 Silk-Dome 1" (Modded Factory A-Pillar Locations). 2200 - 35000 Hz. Digital_Thor Senior Member. Thank you for that. 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. Sb acoustics sb21 or 29 ring domes. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. . 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. 4 uConnect, Minidsp 8x12dl Helix A6 Competition, Gladen rc70c4, 2x Sundown SAE-2000v3Product details. jtrosky. 2014 Ram 1500, 8. Спецификации Артикулен номер T25S-6 Тип високочестотен високочестотен високочестотен високочестотен. Subs: 2 x Scanspeak Discovery 10" in Underfloor Sealed Enclosure. Комплект уеднаквени текстилни високотонови Bliesma T25S-6. 🎧 15 years. Save Share. jpg. Looking at the pillars I need to buy, tweeters may be a bit off axis. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. Find Members Posts. Subs: 2 x Scanspeak Discovery 10" in Underfloor Sealed Enclosure. BlieSMa T25A-6, T25B-6, T25D-6, T25S-6 | HiFiCompass - всё для акустических систем и не толькоLooking to sell one of my Pro 4/10 amplifier, used for 6 months or so, is in great condition, powered a set of SS11M/Bliesma T25s . Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. Smitty. 2022-09-10 7:14 pm #21 2022-09-10 7:14 pm #21 augerpro said: The Bliesma doesn't look like it will be easy to make a waveguide fitI've been starting to realize that alot of my preferences when x-over tuning might be a result of the different phase shifting that goes with each slope, making my speakers blend better with each other to my ears. 5" in Ported Underseat Enclosures. Save. Enthusiast Joined: 25 Maj 2018 Location: UkraineBlieSMa T34A-4 34mm AluMag Dome Tweeter. Moving mass of the driver is as low as 1. Remarks : Internal thread M3 (fixing tweeter) and M4 (fixing support Comet) are to be carried out by the buyer. will be going forward with similar locations for the permanent install. 4 KB · Views: 89Figure 6: BlieSMa T25S-6 two-sample SPL comparison . Midbasses: Dayton Designer DSA175-8 6. Bliesma T25S-6 BlieSMa T25A-6 BlieSMa T25B-6 BlieSMa T25D-6Wavecor BlieSMa Ardent. Let's do this. 00. Hard to hear ;-) The T25S membrane does not behave like a piston - you see this in the frequency response, esp. Scan Speak Silver Series 10M/4614G06 3″ Fiberglass Cone Midrange – Each. 1300 & ACM2. Спецификации Артикулен номер T25S-6 Тип високочестотен високочестотен високочестотен високочестотен. В наличност: 0 бр. Post subject: Re: Bliesma T25A-6 & T25B-6 Tweeters. Subs: 2 x Scanspeak Discovery 10" in Underfloor Sealed Enclosure. Reply Quote. В наличност: 0 бр. Bliesma M74S-6 midranges feature 74 mm natural silk soft dome with integrated surround and protection grill. Subs: 2 x Scanspeak Discovery 10" in Underfloor Sealed Enclosure. Clearly there is an issue here, which is disappointing. Ge0.